Implement Garmin Training Effect / License Firstbeat Analytics

I would love it if Sufferfest workouts would be transferred to Garmin Connect with training effect and training status. For this to work The Sufferfest would need to license Firstbeat technology.

Right now, it’s not possible to use the previously mentioned Garmin analytics without a complicated workaround.

I realize, now that Garmin bought Firstbeat and The Sufferfest joined Wahoo, it means implementing a technology from a direct competitor.

Is there any chance of this happening?

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Are you able to connect your Garmin while doing the workout, And record direct to Garmin that way…

I could do that as I use iPad connecting to my Wattbike via Bluetooth and the Garmin connects via ANT+.
Mind you ANT + allows more than one connection at a time

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I am, thank you for this suggestion. It’s the workaround I mentioned in my previous post.
It works, but is not an elegant solution.

I don’t like to fumble around with electronics and want to keep to a minimum. Plus, my watch never recorded the rpm this way, and the workout title was not added. It’s not a long term solution.

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This is something I would like very much too.

The activities get sent to Garmin Connect already, how hard can it be to get training effect as well (although maybe it’s something more on the Garmin side of things?)

I have a Tacx NeoBike and since Tacx is owned by Garmin, I would have thought it would be fully compatible.

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…and just like that, Garmin seems to have solved this request on their end.

I’ll try it out in the next few days.

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Very nice!

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That’s awesome!

Now tell me what this means, again? I don’t think I was paying attention. :see_no_evil: :rofl:

Haha. Gladly.

Owners of a Garmin watch / bike computer with training load and other health metrics can now import SUF workouts and they actually count as something.
Before this change doing SUF was the same as watching Netflix regarding training load.

It’s only relevant if you like or rely on Garmin’s made up numbers.

I have to dive into this quite a bit more before I have my final personal verdict. It’s a nice start for sure.

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Ah, ok. That makes sense. Thanks!

I have my Garmin watch, but I record everything directly in the SUF app or another app since all my rides are indoors, and they all then transfer automagically into Garmin Connect and Strava. I rarely ever look at Garmin Connect to see any stats or training load. I generally rely instead on Strava and the Elevate app or Intervals.icu. Maybe I can start checking things out on Garmin, again. Tho, I don’t usually keep it as clean as I do on Strava, so I will have a lot of duplicates to clean up. :grimacing:

As soon as you get your alarm clock function, maybe all this Garmin stuff doesn’t matter anymore. :slight_smile: I tried switching but the watch experience is just so damn nice on Garmin’s side of things.

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That’s usually the benefits of using something that’s established and popular. Wahoo has the chance to establish something pretty cool in a new ecosystem, tho, so I’m keeping my fingers crossed. Except for when I’m riding my bike, of course. :stuck_out_tongue:

Great. Thanks gor this Info.
If double workouts would show up as one fit file/session and not seperated activities, this would make it even better.

But when I go through the effort to dual record on Suf and Zwift, I want extra credit! :stuck_out_tongue:

It appears that calculations for VO2 max and training load are done on the Garmin device. So far the activities I have uploaded to Garmin Connect have not affected those values.

I stopped simultaneous recording a couple of weeks (Garmin 1030 and SUF), so I uploaded some recent SUF workouts to Garmin Connect. They immediately appeared in Garmin Connect, and after a little delay they appeared in the 1030’s history list.

What has not happened yet, is that the VO2 Max and training load numbers have been updated. If they are not used in the analytics this is not really worth much.

This would be much more valuable (and maybe this is the future), for the calculations to be done on the server side, and then broadcast to the Garmin clients.

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I totally agree, doing the calculations on the device is a bad user experience and unnecessary step. Hopefully this is only the beginning of a much bigger plan / change.

The only reason doing it the way it is, I imagine, is Garmin protecting their revenue - unnecessarily. If your watch doesn’t offer the training load metrics right now, this means it’s time for a new watch.
Hell, in Garmin’s world I even need to upgrade my watch if I like the newly released watch face. :triumph:

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I’m struggling to think of a better example of a first-world problem :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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To be fair though, if they didn’t somehow tie it in to their hardware then anyone could use the Garmin metrics for free without even owning a Garmin device.

Doing it on the device means you have to currently own (i.e. not previously bought and sold on) a Garmin device to get access to it.

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How is this for a better example: anybody who has any problem with their smart trainer. :innocent:

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Yeah, I get your point. It’s not easy to find a proper solution to this problem.

Maybe make Garmin connect only work IF you have a device registered? Make it a subscription model and throw a 12-month free voucher in every device box? Or accept that a few people would use your service free of charge?

Don’t get me wrong. I really like Garmin.
Right now I’m exercising with an Instinct Solar and Garmin didn’t deem it fit for the training load metric - not because of hardware limitations but to protect the rest of their line.

To elaborate on my personal user experience:
The goal is to have a cheaper watch for work which still provides me with some 24/7 metrics and to switch to a more high end model for training and personal use. If I commute by bike or run to work, my “cheap” watch will not provide all the metrics to give me the full picture at the end of the day. I strongly feel that this problem needs to be eliminated.
Fringe problem? Sure.

One other point to consider: If you move the whole calculation into the cloud, you won’t get the metrics during your offline adventures. Or both, cloud and watch, would need to have this functionality.

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If cloud and watch/head unit have the same functionality you get into replication and consistency problems, especially if connectivity is interrupted.

In any case, there is no guarantee, either, that you will have connectivity for a ride. There are places where I ride that do not have reliable cell service, or even cell service at all, not to mention wifi.

In addition, being always connected could be a big drain on your battery. Depending on how long you ride for, this could be a problem.

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